HUO: What do you think of someone like James Lovelock, the scientist who developed the Gaia Hypothesis?
AC: Well, he’s the absolute opposite. He was a NASA
engineer, and his dark vision is an engineer’s vision. It’s a machine
vision of the world. It’s not about biology. It’s a self-correcting
machine that doesn’t care for us mere humans. It’s actually a piece of
science fiction for a generation of middle-class liberals who know that
their project failed. I mean, this is the other thing we haven’t talked
about, which I’ve never really made a film about, because I don’t know
how to do it. By the early ‘70s, the postwar middle classes and the
early hippies in this country who had originally thought that you really
could change the world for the better, become totally pessimistic,
almost apocalyptic. Looking at all this, it’s always puzzled me that one
of the most privileged, pampered generations in the history of the
world can go from optimism to pessimism so quickly. And I still haven’t
worked out quite why they’ve done it. Someone like Lovelock produces
beautiful pieces of science fiction that both express and seem to
scientifically justify that shift towards a dark pessimism that says we
don’t even matter as human beings. We’re nothing. It’s as if they became
depressed. I think there is some truth in the argument that they’re a
generation of total narcissists, and now that they are growing old and
facing death, they can’t even conceive of their own death. Instead, they
project their own coming death onto the world. They say, I’m not going
to die, it’s the world that’s going to die.
HUO:And this is an earlier generation.
AC: Yes, it’s the generation before mine. They’re
basically heroes of their time, a time that believed in self-expression
as almost a public duty. They are individualists who believe that
self-expression is the most important thing. This means that what you
feel inside yourself, inside you head, is the most important thing in
the world. But if the world is all in your head, then when you die, the
world dies with you—it ceases to exist, because you can’t express
yourself. Because narcissists don’t have anything beyond themselves,
apart from their children, which is why these people are obsessed with
their children—they don’t have a trade union or a political party or
religion. They know these people will go on beyond their death, but they
won’t. On the other hand, people like me who were brought up by old
socialists, although I’m not a socialist, what it did instill in me is a
strong belief that you work towards something that will go on beyond
your own death. I mean, that’s really what you’re put on this world to
do.